ufc saturday/pride on the 23rd...royler???

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played st pierre at -145 when it opened(miller`s supposed to be good...i just like st pierre`s style).....

took sobral at -115 when it opened...i know wiuff is a bigger guy...but he has to cut alot of weight to get here and sobral`s losses are to pretty much top drawer opponents(liddell..randleman...fedor???how much weight did sobral have to give up there?..fedor,imo,is the best mma fighter drawing breath.....henderson...that`s a monster line -up....and valentijn overeem,who`s slipped recently but was also much bigger than sobral).....wiuff has been hot...but he hasn`t fought guy`s like sobral has....sobral`s beaten maurice smith,mauricio rua and jeremy horn(that`s a great win)...

took small shots at trigg and liddell...even though liddell`s style is terrible for couture....

the pride card is amazing...toss-ups up and down the card...i`ll wait for royler...


again,i`ve done well recently,but royler`s the man in mma wagering...follow him....

royler,it`s your game,bro...come on down...
 

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I really like St. Pierre, but I havent seen this Miller guy at all. I hope Royler chimes in on one side or the other. I also agree that Liddells style is awful for Couture, but then again I cant figure out what style would be good to beat Randy. strikers, wreslters (tito) he has beaten them all in the last few years.
 

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My RX radar was going off...

St. Pierre/Miller
Getting St. Pierre at -145 is good stuff. Miller has the goods, but St. Pierre is one of a handful of people who can say they (more or less) won a round against Matt Hughes. Georges decimated Miller's teammate Jay Hieron. He whupped on Karo Parisyan. He's in terrific shape.

Miller, IMO, is too wiry for the welterweights, with no low center of gravity. Hughes or Trigg would snap him in half. And he's only had one fight in 18 months. This is a big step up in competition. I like Georges to dominate here.

Sobral/Wiuff
I took Sobral at -120 a few days ago. He simply has more tools in his bag that Wiuff does, and is a good wrestler in his own right. A lot of people remember his KO loss to Liddell - lots of good fighters have suffered the same fate. Sobral won an IFC tourney in '03 old-school style, beating Trevor Prangley, Shogun Rua, and Jeremy Horn in a single night. That's amazing.

My big concern here is that Wiuff will emulate Kevin Randleman's victory over Sobral and lay/pray for the decision. Stand-ups should help negate that. Wiuff will have to stay busy in Babalu's guard. Cutting from 280 to 205 is borderline insanity - something will fall off the wagon, whether it be power or your gas tank - and I expect the deciding factor here to be the problem that guys like Randleman encountered when dropping weight: they no longer have the speed advantage, and simply aren't prepared for the agility of the lighter guys. Charlie Chubby at heavyweight won't move like Babalu will.

Sobral should be able to light up an outclassed Wiuff for the stoppage.

(FYI - Sobral's fights against Fedor and Henderson were in RINGS, with no striking allowed to the head on the ground.)

Marsh/Van Arsdale
These guys have had something like four fights total in five years. How anyone could pick a side is beyond me. The UFC is hoping they can get a heavyweight contender out of the winner. No opinion.

Doerkson/Cote
Doerkson should submit Cote without incident, though Patrick does have power in his hands.

Lindland/Lutter
Hard to bet against TQ in any situation, but Lutter has the better hands and submissions. The game could be passing Matt by - his wrestling is good enough against the Baronis of the world, but I don't know how he'll fare here. No opinion, but if forced, I'd pick Lindland.

Salaverry/Riggs
Salaverry is inconsistent, but if he's on his game, he should submit Riggs.

Trigg/Hughes
I feel the same way about this fight as I did Arlovski/Sylvia - I see two fighters going in opposite directions. Hughes went from being dominant every minute of every round to barely squeaking by Verissimo and St. Pierre. Trigg, meanwhile, steamrolled Verissimo and Hallman. He made a dumb mistake in their first fight and didn't regard Hughes as a submission threat. Live and learn.

Hughes can win in one of two ways: catch Trigg in a submission in transition, or take Trigg into the later rounds, where he'll be a fish out of water. But Matt's biggest strength - his massive takedowns followed by ground/pound - are being taken away here. Trigg is not going to get tossed around. I think he can either prevent the TD or stalemate while on the mat, leaving the fight decided on the feet, where Trigg has the better hands. Hughes gets rocked easily (Sakurai, Penn, Pele). St. Pierre was smacking him around, too. I like Trigg to TKO Hughes for the win, clipping him on the feet and smelling blood for the stoppage. He wants to be a fighter. Hughes doesn't.

Couture/Liddell
My previous pick goes against logic, which dictates that 80% of MMA rematches end up having the same outcome. I think Trigg/Hughes is a case of a fluke misstep that won't be repeated. But Liddell/Couture 1 was pretty much complete domination from start to finish.

I think this will be Randy's hardest fight to date at LHW: Liddell was taken aback by his aggression on the feet last time. And quite honestly, I don't think he saw Randy as a threat. Everyone thought this was just a formality, a way to get a belt on Liddell with Tito throwing a tantrum in the corner. Randy surprised everyone.

That element is out the window. We know Liddell can KO Randy if he gets off, and we know he can get up from the bottom. That's a bad combination for Couture. We're also talking about Randy being two years older now, whereas Chuck is only a somewhat ripe 35.

I think I can list lots of ways for Randy to lose, but what difference does it make? He always finds a way to take his opponent out of his game. A victory by either guy wouldn't surprise me, but you'll go broke betting against Couture. He might have to settle for a decision this time around, though.

My only plays for this card are Sobral and Trigg. Good luck to everyone. It'll be a terrific show.
 

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3 for 4 with a 2-1 dog cashing......was sort of stupid for randy to stand with chuck,though...stubborn...and stupid......but,it worked out just fine...

....thanks to royler for all his help.....

this stuff is becoming lucrative....
 

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Call it sour grapes, but Trigg had Hughes out and should've gotten the ref stoppage. Being a title fight, they were being more lenient in letting it go. Trigg blew his wad trying for some ridiculous rear-naked in an effort to claim some karma or something. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

If it weren't for Hughes' loss to Penn, we'd all be calling him the pfp great by now. This is something like his eighth title defense. That's unreal.

Thankfully, Sobral salvaged my evening. Wiuff had nothing for him at 205, not even his wrestling. Babalu took him down at will.

It was fairly depressing to see Randy go down and out like that. This is the third or fourth time Chuck has stuck his thumb in someone's eye and capitalized on it. I can't say he's doing it on purpose, but this needs to be addressed in some fashion.

RE: Pride. I like...

Jackson OV Rua @ -140
I have no idea why this line is so short. I think Jackson even opened as an underdog. Insanity. He's very well prepared for this fight. Rua should be at 185 and doesn't have one significant win to his credit. Am I supposed to be impressed that he beat Kanehara?

Belfort OV Overeem @ -110
I question whether betting Belfort is ever smart business, considering how inconsistent he can be, but his MO is usually to drop big fights and handle fighters lower on the totem pole. Overeem has great hands and decent subs, but to beat Belfort, you basically have to outwrestle him, something Overeem cannot do. His fight with Liddell was close right up until a late 3rd round knockdown. I think he's motivated to fight Sak and will come to fight.

Favorites in Pride hold up something like 90% of the time. g/l
 

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i like jackson.....as a fighter...but,he looked absolutely terrible....listless... in his last fight..vs murilo rua...who,imo, isn`t as good as mauricio... ..i thought murilo did enough to win..


the guy seems to be a head case...

i`d be with you if i thought that jackson had his head on straight...i don`t know what happened in the last fight...

it will probably be enough to force me to keep my wallet in my pocket...

g.l. 2 u...
 
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Jackson hasn't been the same fighter since his religious 'awakening'.

Only reason Trigg had a chance to finish the fight was due to his blatant low-blow. Even with about 20 seconds of Hughes unable to defend himself, Trigg still couldn't finish the deal.
 

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Sphinc,

Jackson had very short notice to fight Murilo Rua last time around and it showed in his performance. He complained to DSE officials and had more time to train for the other Rua.

I don't consider Shogun to be superior to his brother - Murilo defeated Mario Sperry and was actually outwrestling Kevin Randleman for a period of time. He's only been really finished once, against a heavyweight in Kharitonov.

Shogun does not have the ring experience of either his brother or Jackson. Quinton's preparation has been going very well, and I fully expect him to advance into the semis in June. I appreciate your thoughts, though.
 

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Oh, and a PS...for reasons unknown to me, Ricardo Arona opened up at -120 over Dean Lister. That number has been adjusted to -285, where it belongs. If you can find that -120 anywhere, take it. Arona is about 20 lbs. bigger and 10x more capable in MMA. He will have his way with Lister, who just fought a few weeks ago in a qualifier. Unfortunately, I couldn't jump on the number in time.
 

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i already have arona in a parlay with some overs from boxing in japan that came in...i`m glad you like him....

royler...if i question your take on a bout,i hope you know i`m just trying to get more info.....if we disagree,or i question anything,i hope you understand it`s done with mad respect....we`ve both been around here for awhile and i just thought that you took for granted that anything i said or questioned was in the interest of garnering more info or was something that i needed clarification on...

i value your opinion..everything said and done is done in the interest of winning and getting as much info and opinion as possible....

very glad you`re here so i can pick your brain on mma....i`m sure others feel the same.
 

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Sphinc - no hard feelings whatsoever. I just thought I'd offer more of a rationale behind my support of Jackson. If I were right 100% of the time, I'd be in Hawaii and not anywhere near a modem. ;)
 

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Rampage got absolutely 'punked', for lack of a better word by Shogun. Rua took him out behind the woodshed and beat him like a red-headed stepson. Very impressive performance.

As noted before, since his conversion, Rampage has not looked impressive at all, save for the second Silva fight...but even then he got KTFO.
 

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rua beat rampage like he owed him money....the most one sided fight(other than the korean)of the night....

knees,knees and more knees....jackson has no clue how to handle someone that makes him go backwards...and can`t defend the knees....

the "aura" is gone..guys won`t be intimidated.....jackson will struggle vs everyone from here on out,imo...

rua comes to win...the guy is a genuine threat to win this tourney.....
 

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